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one realizes very quickly we've been

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I had access to to all those programs

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40 feet long no windows no no real wings

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or control surfaces no obvious signs of

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propulsion and yet this object is

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witnessed Now by four separate

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welcome back everybody

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good to be here and before we bring on

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my guest we'll just go over the usual

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things uh everyone in the chat if you do

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have any questions throughout the uh the

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interview if you could just pop them in

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capital letters that gives me a better

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chance of seeing them I can't guarantee

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I'll get around to them because I do

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have quite a lot that I've already um

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pulled in from social media and things

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like that but you know I'll do my best

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and please keep the chat you know nice

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and calm let's not have any drama we can

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all have differences of opinion if needs

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be but we can still be polite and

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courteous about it so

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um one thing I will say is James just

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joined me a few minutes ago and my

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internet just suddenly dropped out I

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have a really strong

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powerful internet connection I don't

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know what happened if it happens again

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my apologies we would just have to work

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with it I'm hoping it was just a one-off

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glitch

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but yeah that's about it guys let's jump

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straight into it um my guest today is

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James foxy has been highly influential

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uh over the years for me personally in

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my early days watching his documentaries

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um it really made me start asking some

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of some of the questions that then led

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me into to more research so you know

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that's uh just amazing so anyway let's

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get to it please welcome James Fox hey

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James how are you thanks for having me

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on yeah it's my pleasure it's it's funny

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you know when you when you said that you

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know the films out of the blue and I

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know what I saw had had uh inspired you

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and and uh that's it's a that's a

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beautiful thing to hear you know I I

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never try to pound my drum and get

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people to join my Cult of Believers I I

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it's not where I come from do you know

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what I mean but I know if yeah but I do

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feel there's enough compelling evidence

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that tells an extraordinary story that

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perhaps we're not alone and so that's

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what kind of keeps me going and it's

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nice that other people are picking up on

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that because it's uh you know it's kind

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I agree completely and that's the thing

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it was watching those documentaries

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which left me with so many questions so

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that's when I spent a lot you know a lot

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of time trolling document archives just

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seeing if I can add to that Curiosity uh

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and maybe answer some of those questions

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and here I am over a decade later still

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asking the questions

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and I love it and I'm not going to stop

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well here I am almost three decades

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and I'm still asking the question that

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what the hell's going on oh yeah

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absolutely now it's been what about a

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month since the release uh the global

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it been received um and are you happy

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uh concerned that this story was a bit

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of a far stretch

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he was like oh mate you know I've got to

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look into this case and it happened in

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Brazil just a couple years ago you know

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and this UFO crashes and the aliens are

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here I don't know

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but uh go sell crazy somewhere else and

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documentaries on the UFO topic or UAP at

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how quickly I dismissed it so I knew

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kind of what I was up against and I was

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task force and there's been mention of

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recovered debris not a lot but there

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as best as it's ever been but still

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you know it's a tall tale I mean uh I

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didn't believe it didn't it actually

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happened I wouldn't have spent 12 years

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making it if I didn't believe it

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number one film and independent film on

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uh 10 consecutive days

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um and that was encouraging

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um but you know we'll time will tell and

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I think this is a story that's unfolding

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it's developing there are more people

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in Brazil and we'd really look forward

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to seeing that in the United States

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think one thing that's maybe difficult

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with it is that it does rely on witness

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it everybody would love to see proof and

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evidence uh you know and it's been

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bit later on so you know I understand

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bit of the actual case the Virginia case

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itself and one thing that I'd like to

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just in Brazil but sort of globally

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couple of researchers uh got noticed

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that were taking it seriously and and

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United States at all in fact a lot of

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said are you sure you want to spend time

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that one you know and I said well you

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back and forth multiple times over a

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12-year period to Brazil and now I'm

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absolutely convinced it happened and

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look I don't expect your audience to

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we were talking like the vast majority

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of people in the town of Virginia heard

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saw something you know from military

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blockades to the threats to the creature

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in broad daylight you know how many

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people do you know or how many cases do

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see a creature from eight to ten feet

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the fire department you got reports from

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um and it makes a very compelling story

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occupants recovered I I believe that but

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I'm sipping on some coffee oh no problem

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at all um you know we heard early on in

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whole thing yet we've seen so many

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um about his involvement over the years

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lawyer in the town of Virginia also UFO

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investigator and this guy Victor

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pekachini who's also Brazilian who is

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of Minnesota which is where all this

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stuff took place there was also AJ

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javard and a handful of others but the

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three primary researchers were

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packagini and I

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I have taken their private so let's see

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how do I say this

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this case and he's all over the archival

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footage in the film and uh he did a 180

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and he refused to even talk about the

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case anymore

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um takachini disappeared for 18 years

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threats and I kept when we were in

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Brazil I was like where is this guy

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packaging where is Uber ajara Colonial

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kovil I knew had passed and and um

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disappeared like I said for 18 years he

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as this film was about to come out for

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the first time in 18 years and um and

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um who he has the name of and the

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location and all of that stuff and he

279
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describes in Vivid detail for the first

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time ever just a couple of weeks ago to

281
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the New York Post along with another

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eyewitness account about this alleged

283
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photographic evidence and so there are

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new aspects coming out

285
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I'm hoping that uh you know over time

286
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it'll just keep it'll just keep

287
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unraveling

288
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so you are you still in touch with him

289
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um pakachini you know just to see I'm

290
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into the latest I'm in touch with

291
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packaging every single day wow

292
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communicating every single day because

293
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there's there are efforts behind the

294
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scenes taking place we're very fortunate

295
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the packaging is back on board he was

296
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um

297
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let's just say pakachini had more

298
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traction on this case in 1996 than any

299
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other researcher

300
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he um he did some amazing things I'd

301
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have to let him share all the details

302
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but suffice to say you know a lot of the

303
00:12:10,610 --> 00:12:08,760
military people that we met with that

304
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refused to go on camera from the front

305
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and reveal their identity from just from

306
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the back and describes their voice they

307
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all knew him they all shared things with

308
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him he was in the loop with them back in

309
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1996.

310
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yeah I've been keeping my eye on this

311
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discussion about whether we're going to

312
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see any of this you know amazing

313
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evidence and sometimes it's looking

314
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positive other times it's like it sounds

315
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like people might be too scared or there

316
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might be repercussions so has it been

317
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like that since he's come back on the

318
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scene for the last few weeks has it been

319
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has there been ups and downs are those

320
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ups and downs you know I'm confident

321
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that it will come out the only question

322
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is when we're in touch with the people

323
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who have it it's just a question of when

324
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um not if

325
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um

326
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I'm told that they they distributed the

327
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photographic evidence far and wide they

328
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couldn't just go to one house and

329
00:13:04,550 --> 00:13:01,860
destroy it oh yeah they were yeah they

330
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sent it out broadcasted out so when the

331
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time is right maybe tomorrow maybe next

332
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year I really don't know I am told

333
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unequivocally that it will happen

334
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so so he knows the location of this but

335
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it also has been distributed so there's

336
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multiple versions and copies of it is

337
00:13:22,790 --> 00:13:20,279
what you're saying that's exactly right

338
00:13:26,030 --> 00:13:22,800
yeah wow that's really interesting so

339
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also backups yeah they're also in 1996

340
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there were statements given from

341
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gentlemen that were involved at the

342
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military operations from as a military

343
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base and they went on the record on

344
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camera and it was not to be released

345
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until 2030 but they went on the record

346
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on camera as a sort of security for them

347
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that if anything happened to them those

348
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tapes would be released

349
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and the military knew that and those

350
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tapes were distributed far and wide as

351
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well and I've seen them

352
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they're not excuse me they're not to be

353
00:13:55,610 --> 00:13:52,260
released now but I've seen those I've

354
00:13:57,829 --> 00:13:55,620
seen I've seen those days I'm like what

355
00:13:59,990 --> 00:13:57,839
do you mean I can't use this this is

356
00:14:02,090 --> 00:14:00,000
amazing

357
00:14:03,769 --> 00:14:02,100
yeah I mean I'm sure you've seen in the

358
00:14:05,090 --> 00:14:03,779
past few weeks as well and I noticed uh

359
00:14:06,410 --> 00:14:05,100
give a shout out to Ryan Sprague he's

360
00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:06,420
hearing the comments with the question I

361
00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:07,920
was just about to ask there are lots of

362
00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:08,880
other photographs that have been

363
00:14:12,110 --> 00:14:10,320
cropping up over the past few weeks

364
00:14:14,269 --> 00:14:12,120
claiming to be images of the Virginia

365
00:14:15,710 --> 00:14:14,279
creature have you generally been been

366
00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:15,720
looking at those and keeping an eye on

367
00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:17,519
things I mean I saw one pop up today and

368
00:14:21,470 --> 00:14:19,260
the person was adamant that that's

369
00:14:23,870 --> 00:14:21,480
everything so I asked for chain of

370
00:14:26,509 --> 00:14:23,880
custody I asked for all sorts and they

371
00:14:28,310 --> 00:14:26,519
just don't give it the moment I get

372
00:14:30,650 --> 00:14:28,320
anything like that and I can encourage

373
00:14:34,629 --> 00:14:30,660
people I you know I'm happy to give up

374
00:14:37,009 --> 00:14:34,639
my email it's James C Fox

375
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gmail.com and please

376
00:14:41,150 --> 00:14:39,420
don't you know write me some lengthy

377
00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:41,160
email regarding your sighting I'm

378
00:14:44,030 --> 00:14:42,420
tremendously interested in hearing about

379
00:14:46,670 --> 00:14:44,040
it but not now right now I got a laser

380
00:14:48,350 --> 00:14:46,680
focus on Virginia and if anybody has any

381
00:14:50,509 --> 00:14:48,360
leads or they have a they have a still

382
00:14:52,370 --> 00:14:50,519
frame of something I send it directly to

383
00:14:54,829 --> 00:14:52,380
my contacts in Brazil and make the

384
00:14:56,389 --> 00:14:54,839
determination whether it's it's uh fact

385
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or phony

386
00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:58,920
excellent there you go guys so you heard

387
00:15:02,090 --> 00:15:00,480
it here and I will if it's okay with

388
00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:02,100
James pop that email in the description

389
00:15:05,210 --> 00:15:03,600
below

390
00:15:06,889 --> 00:15:05,220
um and I might write a little statement

391
00:15:09,230 --> 00:15:06,899
just what you said there please don't

392
00:15:10,490 --> 00:15:09,240
send your big lengthy stories at this at

393
00:15:11,930 --> 00:15:10,500
this time

394
00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:11,940
um now the case obviously involves

395
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:13,680
multiple events we've got the kind of

396
00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:16,079
the distressed craft we've got the crash

397
00:15:20,090 --> 00:15:18,000
itself and we've got the being so how

398
00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:20,100
did you go about deciding how much time

399
00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:22,079
to focus on each or did you just follow

400
00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:24,720
any lead that came in and also were

401
00:15:28,370 --> 00:15:26,399
there any dubious leads that came in

402
00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:28,380
that you were you really didn't want to

403
00:15:33,949 --> 00:15:31,440
go there not a single lead came in we

404
00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:33,959
tracked down all the witnesses not one

405
00:15:39,769 --> 00:15:37,260
person approached us not one in fact the

406
00:15:44,990 --> 00:15:39,779
vast majority of eyewitnesses took years

407
00:15:48,170 --> 00:15:45,000
and years of of of haggling with and

408
00:15:49,970 --> 00:15:48,180
massaging you know relations with

409
00:15:51,650 --> 00:15:49,980
um military X

410
00:15:52,910 --> 00:15:51,660
he said all the amount of money in the

411
00:15:55,069 --> 00:15:52,920
world will not get me to come forward

412
00:15:58,009 --> 00:15:55,079
that's never going to happen but we kept

413
00:16:00,170 --> 00:15:58,019
at it we kept at it we kept at it Marco

414
00:16:02,150 --> 00:16:00,180
Leal deserves tremendous credit for all

415
00:16:06,410 --> 00:16:02,160
of his work groundwork and in the area

416
00:16:08,269 --> 00:16:06,420
uh Marco Laos is is the star of this of

417
00:16:11,689 --> 00:16:08,279
this film I mean he really

418
00:16:13,550 --> 00:16:11,699
spent a lot of time in his even his own

419
00:16:15,230 --> 00:16:13,560
families like son come back to come back

420
00:16:17,930 --> 00:16:15,240
to planet Earth what are you doing

421
00:16:19,550 --> 00:16:17,940
chasing this crazy story down you know

422
00:16:22,189 --> 00:16:19,560
and um

423
00:16:24,829 --> 00:16:22,199
so we we we tracked them down in some

424
00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:24,839
cases like for instance Dr X who he's

425
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:25,980
filmed for the backside he took the

426
00:16:30,829 --> 00:16:29,279
x-rays that guy we found I think eight

427
00:16:33,530 --> 00:16:30,839
years ago he was still working for the

428
00:16:35,090 --> 00:16:33,540
regional hospital and he's like yeah he

429
00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:35,100
confirmed the stories I'm never coming

430
00:16:39,370 --> 00:16:37,500
forward then he retired and four years

431
00:16:41,870 --> 00:16:39,380
after he retired Marco hit him up again

432
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:41,880
and ultimately got him to come forward

433
00:16:45,410 --> 00:16:43,920
for the first time ever military acts

434
00:16:47,329 --> 00:16:45,420
got him to come forward for the first

435
00:16:49,730 --> 00:16:47,339
time ever I could give

436
00:16:52,189 --> 00:16:49,740
a detailed account that would probably

437
00:16:55,310 --> 00:16:52,199
go on until the sun come up tomorrow

438
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:55,320
morning uh you're in England so but

439
00:16:59,629 --> 00:16:58,079
sooner than me what It ultimately took

440
00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:59,639
to get him to come forward but suffice

441
00:17:03,769 --> 00:17:01,920
to say we did it so we didn't land

442
00:17:05,929 --> 00:17:03,779
everything that we tried to land but hey

443
00:17:08,329 --> 00:17:05,939
this is the first

444
00:17:12,890 --> 00:17:08,339
um I feel like we created a body of work

445
00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:12,900
that could present it to a a court uh

446
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:15,120
and that would sway a jury that

447
00:17:19,130 --> 00:17:16,799
something indeed extraordinary took

448
00:17:20,929 --> 00:17:19,140
place there's just too many witnesses

449
00:17:22,610 --> 00:17:20,939
yeah and I suppose now you've got it out

450
00:17:24,530 --> 00:17:22,620
there the documentary I suppose it would

451
00:17:27,049 --> 00:17:24,540
pop up on a lot more people's radar so

452
00:17:29,450 --> 00:17:27,059
maybe that could have been the the next

453
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:29,460
step in other people coming forward you

454
00:17:33,770 --> 00:17:31,679
know I mean I'm are there other are the

455
00:17:36,350 --> 00:17:33,780
names that you know are still alive and

456
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,360
who might know something that you

457
00:17:40,490 --> 00:17:38,400
haven't been able to track down or have

458
00:17:42,049 --> 00:17:40,500
refused to talk and you're but you you

459
00:17:45,250 --> 00:17:42,059
feel like that they might come out soon

460
00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:45,260
or or in the near future

461
00:17:50,210 --> 00:17:48,360
yeah to answer your question yes and and

462
00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:50,220
like for instance the firemen that were

463
00:17:54,529 --> 00:17:51,840
involved in the first capture on the

464
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:54,539
January 20th we have actually videotaped

465
00:17:57,770 --> 00:17:56,400
statements from them but we were not to

466
00:17:58,850 --> 00:17:57,780
be they were not to be released in the

467
00:18:00,110 --> 00:17:58,860
film

468
00:18:02,990 --> 00:18:00,120
um that were directly involved with the

469
00:18:04,850 --> 00:18:03,000
capture of the first creature uh we have

470
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:04,860
other statements from other people that

471
00:18:08,990 --> 00:18:06,720
will remain anonymous that confirm the

472
00:18:10,250 --> 00:18:09,000
events of the second capture uh so we

473
00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:10,260
felt quite comfortable everything was

474
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,240
accurate we worked behind the scenes

475
00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:14,160
with some researchers with some former

476
00:18:18,590 --> 00:18:16,740
military Brazilian military people

477
00:18:22,010 --> 00:18:18,600
um I even sent this out

478
00:18:23,630 --> 00:18:22,020
months and months ago to some people uh

479
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:23,640
within the intelligence community in the

480
00:18:27,950 --> 00:18:25,679
United States and and not one of them

481
00:18:29,230 --> 00:18:27,960
said this didn't happen

482
00:18:31,549 --> 00:18:29,240
wow

483
00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:31,559
I felt pretty confident that we were on

484
00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:35,039
the right path and I still do

485
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:36,360
you mentioned recently as well that

486
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:37,440
you've got you know you've obviously got

487
00:18:40,669 --> 00:18:39,360
sources within within the government and

488
00:18:42,049 --> 00:18:40,679
the intelligence Community but you

489
00:18:43,850 --> 00:18:42,059
mentioned that you you'd spoken to

490
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:43,860
someone recently in the UAP task force

491
00:18:47,390 --> 00:18:45,840
who said that the timing was good for

492
00:18:48,770 --> 00:18:47,400
the release of the documentary and that

493
00:18:50,990 --> 00:18:48,780
possibly something would be coming at

494
00:18:53,090 --> 00:18:51,000
the end of October which has now passed

495
00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:53,100
has there any updates on that have you

496
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,840
spoke to this person and said what's

497
00:18:58,730 --> 00:18:56,640
happening the updates I'm getting is

498
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:58,740
that it's coming it's been delayed that

499
00:19:04,850 --> 00:19:00,960
it's coming is this the UAP report

500
00:19:07,789 --> 00:19:04,860
that's been um it was something you know

501
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:07,799
the language that he used wasn't

502
00:19:13,070 --> 00:19:11,520
definitive but it gave me the impression

503
00:19:21,409 --> 00:19:13,080
that

504
00:19:22,850 --> 00:19:21,419
crash retrievals was was was spot on so

505
00:19:28,029 --> 00:19:22,860
we'll see

506
00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:28,039
feeling a little bit lonely out here

507
00:19:31,610 --> 00:19:30,179
I mean I feel like I've kind of put my

508
00:19:33,230 --> 00:19:31,620
credibility on the line you know I mean

509
00:19:34,850 --> 00:19:33,240
the last film The phenomenon I had a lot

510
00:19:37,310 --> 00:19:34,860
of back I had a lot of backup I had

511
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,320
former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid

512
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:39,360
I had former deputy assistant secretary

513
00:19:43,130 --> 00:19:41,280
of defense for intelligence Christopher

514
00:19:45,169 --> 00:19:43,140
Mellon I had you know Lou Elizondo

515
00:19:47,090 --> 00:19:45,179
publicly endorsing the film

516
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,100
and the list just goes on and on and on

517
00:19:51,770 --> 00:19:49,919
right sure with this with this this one

518
00:19:54,049 --> 00:19:51,780
round there's been a lot of chatter

519
00:19:55,730 --> 00:19:54,059
behind the scenes but so far there have

520
00:19:56,990 --> 00:19:55,740
been very few people in in that

521
00:19:58,370 --> 00:19:57,000
community that are willing to come

522
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:58,380
forward and say this thing happened I

523
00:20:02,510 --> 00:19:59,760
don't really blame them quite honestly I

524
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:02,520
mean it's it's a pretty uh it's a pretty

525
00:20:06,590 --> 00:20:03,840
out there story

526
00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:06,600
and I think that this is just I think

527
00:20:11,330 --> 00:20:08,340
this film is

528
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:11,340
this story is just gaining traction and

529
00:20:16,669 --> 00:20:12,960
I think it'll just it's a developing

530
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:16,679
ongoing thing and um I'm absolutely

531
00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:18,000
convinced look when I did out of the

532
00:20:20,810 --> 00:20:18,660
blue

533
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,820
the first version

534
00:20:25,010 --> 00:20:23,039
we had lots of

535
00:20:28,909 --> 00:20:25,020
of

536
00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:28,919
information eyewitness testimony on the

537
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,860
infamous Phoenix Lights uh if you call

538
00:20:35,810 --> 00:20:33,600
it Phoenix Lights people will say no

539
00:20:37,850 --> 00:20:35,820
it's the massive UFO flyover but it's

540
00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:37,860
coming over to is the you know the

541
00:20:42,049 --> 00:20:40,740
January 13th 1997 Phoenix Lights

542
00:20:43,789 --> 00:20:42,059
but it was a massive boomerang

543
00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:43,799
shakecraft

544
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,380
um more information like significant

545
00:20:50,690 --> 00:20:48,720
information came out over the years

546
00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:50,700
after that first version of out of the

547
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,700
blue and I revised out of the blue and I

548
00:20:57,710 --> 00:20:55,200
put in the governor I put in all this

549
00:20:59,690 --> 00:20:57,720
additional eyewitness testimony

550
00:21:01,850 --> 00:20:59,700
um I even put in some videotaped

551
00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:01,860
evidence I think that came in that might

552
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,440
have come in with I know what I saw yeah

553
00:21:08,150 --> 00:21:07,200
excuse me but in any case my point is is

554
00:21:09,650 --> 00:21:08,160
that

555
00:21:11,330 --> 00:21:09,660
you put something out in the world hey

556
00:21:13,610 --> 00:21:11,340
look well we like that definitive piece

557
00:21:15,409 --> 00:21:13,620
of evidence well we like a a piece of

558
00:21:18,169 --> 00:21:15,419
documentation from the US government you

559
00:21:20,150 --> 00:21:18,179
damn right we would but am I quitting

560
00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:20,160
and just gonna move on to the next no of

561
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,140
course not I mean this is a this will be

562
00:21:27,650 --> 00:21:25,200
ongoing and and believe me I'm

563
00:21:29,390 --> 00:21:27,660
um I'm not giving up anytime soon and uh

564
00:21:32,270 --> 00:21:29,400
we'll you know it'll it's it's coming

565
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,280
out excellent I like I like that I I

566
00:21:37,610 --> 00:21:35,039
think any good case is always going to

567
00:21:38,930 --> 00:21:37,620
remain open look at Roswell what do we

568
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:38,940
have on Roswell you have a lot more

569
00:21:44,270 --> 00:21:41,039
eyewitnesses on this case than you ever

570
00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:44,280
did on Roswell yeah you know so I mean

571
00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:46,440
we never other than that bogus Ray

572
00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:48,780
santilly footage that came out you never

573
00:21:52,430 --> 00:21:50,520
had any photographs of any aliens in

574
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:52,440
Roswell and yet here we are all these

575
00:21:56,210 --> 00:21:53,760
years later and everyone's talking about

576
00:21:56,990 --> 00:21:56,220
it so you got to start somewhere you

577
00:21:59,810 --> 00:21:57,000
know

578
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:59,820
no absolutely completely agree

579
00:22:03,890 --> 00:22:01,679
um just jumping back to the case and and

580
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:03,900
obviously you'd spoken to the three

581
00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:06,720
girls in in Virginia before many years

582
00:22:12,770 --> 00:22:09,000
ago and then you know you repeated it in

583
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,780
this uh in this documentary and

584
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:14,400
you know they were I think they were the

585
00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:16,860
first to see the Creature if I'm right

586
00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:19,380
um but the crash had happened was it a

587
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:21,960
week earlier yeah what are the theories

588
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,120
on that time period that week leading up

589
00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:26,159
to the first sighting of the creature

590
00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:29,100
it's one of those aspects of this case

591
00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:31,860
it's a little bit ambiguous right um

592
00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:33,240
there's been speculation because I asked

593
00:22:38,750 --> 00:22:36,299
the very same question I did aerial

594
00:22:40,970 --> 00:22:38,760
photography with my drone looking

595
00:22:42,830 --> 00:22:40,980
straight down at all these different uh

596
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:42,840
you know alleged you know the encounters

597
00:22:47,330 --> 00:22:45,299
the military blockades the alleged

598
00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:47,340
capture and you look at a certain

599
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:49,260
proximity and then it's like okay well

600
00:22:52,610 --> 00:22:50,400
here's we got

601
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,620
very compelling eyewitness testimony of

602
00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:54,000
an encounter with a strange creature

603
00:22:58,190 --> 00:22:55,980
then a couple blocks away you've got

604
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,200
this other alleged capture with two

605
00:23:03,230 --> 00:23:00,240
military police officers Eric Lopes and

606
00:23:04,909 --> 00:23:03,240
and uh Marco Charisse

607
00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:04,919
um then you've got military blockades

608
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,080
and you've got the people the family

609
00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:09,120
that if you remember this that scene

610
00:23:13,789 --> 00:23:11,880
where the family saw a flying disc yeah

611
00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:13,799
doing a grid search we have all that

612
00:23:18,169 --> 00:23:15,720
from the air we've captured but then

613
00:23:21,230 --> 00:23:18,179
inexplicably you've got the crash site

614
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:21,240
which is I've heard six miles by the

615
00:23:26,750 --> 00:23:24,960
crow flies you know up to 10 miles

616
00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:26,760
um and some of the researchers said well

617
00:23:30,350 --> 00:23:28,260
there's some speculation there's a river

618
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:30,360
that flows near the crash site and it

619
00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:32,640
winds up just a few blocks away from

620
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,900
where the girls came into the counter

621
00:23:38,330 --> 00:23:36,720
did these things go in the river I don't

622
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,340
know maybe

623
00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:40,080
um was there an escape pod I don't know

624
00:23:45,529 --> 00:23:43,260
maybe I really don't know and I'd I'd

625
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:45,539
love to know you know and there's also

626
00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:47,400
sightings there were there were pretty

627
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:49,140
good reports

628
00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:49,740
um

629
00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:51,720
regarding lots of other than the people

630
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:53,940
people in the town that saw these

631
00:23:59,870 --> 00:23:55,740
strange creatures and none of the people

632
00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:59,880
in Virginia ever said alien or ET at the

633
00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:01,140
time they were like there's something

634
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,720
really weird you know out here and

635
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:05,520
they're calling the authorities they're

636
00:24:09,169 --> 00:24:06,840
calling the fire department they're

637
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:09,179
calling the military police

638
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:10,980
um it was it was a pretty chaotic scene

639
00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:17,390
and that area where the girls saw the

640
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:19,320
being you know in the documentary we see

641
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,720
this big sort of heavy door or gate with

642
00:24:26,930 --> 00:24:24,000
a lock on it was that more open back in

643
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:26,940
1996 so it was sort of freak yeah same

644
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:29,520
cinder block wall door was not locked it

645
00:24:33,549 --> 00:24:30,840
was more open and they were walking

646
00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:33,559
through that field at about 3 P.M

647
00:24:37,789 --> 00:24:35,940
Saturday I think it was on a Saturday a

648
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:37,799
very hot Saturday January remember

649
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:41,039
January in Brazil is summer so it was

650
00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:43,860
January 20th and these three girls it

651
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:46,260
was uh Katya who was 21 and then the Two

652
00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:49,919
Sisters valkyria 14 and liliani who was

653
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:52,500
16 and they were walking through that

654
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:54,900
little field I guess the grass was maybe

655
00:24:59,570 --> 00:24:56,820
just below their knees

656
00:25:00,770 --> 00:24:59,580
and um they saw what they initially

657
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,780
thought was

658
00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:02,640
some kind of

659
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:05,220
statue or something that was kind of

660
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:07,380
crouched next to the wall or looking at

661
00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:09,059
it like the hell is that

662
00:25:12,529 --> 00:25:10,980
and um

663
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:12,539
they got a little closer and a little

664
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,000
closer and then they got between eight

665
00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:17,760
to ten feet from this thing and I think

666
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:20,700
one of the girls realized that it looked

667
00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:23,640
like it was alive and she let out a Yelp

668
00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:26,520
and at which point the creature turned

669
00:25:30,289 --> 00:25:28,260
and looked them right in the eyes it was

670
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:30,299
sitting if you can still hear me here

671
00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:33,419
sure it was crouched

672
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:35,400
against the wall with his hands between

673
00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:39,539
the legs feeble weak cowering it was

674
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:40,980
just kind of crouched like this against

675
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,080
the wall and when the girls

676
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,840
screamed according to them

677
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:48,720
all three of them the creature

678
00:25:54,049 --> 00:25:51,480
turned and looked them right in the eyes

679
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:54,059
the two sisters valkyria

680
00:25:59,289 --> 00:25:57,240
and lydiani 14 and 16 grabbed each other

681
00:26:02,570 --> 00:25:59,299
and just hightailed it out of there

682
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:02,580
Katya who's 21 was Frozen in her tracks

683
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,620
locked eyes on this thing

684
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:06,720
lilianni realizes she gets about 100

685
00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:09,900
feet down the path oh Jesus Katya is

686
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:11,340
still there she's probably in imminent

687
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:13,740
danger they thought it was the devil she

688
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:15,480
raises back leaves her sister alone

689
00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:18,900
races back grabs Katya Yanks her out of

690
00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:20,520
there

691
00:26:25,810 --> 00:26:24,299
and that was where the film title came

692
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:25,820
from because I was in the field

693
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,679
discussing this and I thought how many

694
00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:30,720
people do I know that that I believe

695
00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:33,720
that came face with a creature a

696
00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:35,880
sentient being that locked eyes on this

697
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:39,720
thing I said to her you know put me

698
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:41,820
during that moment of contact when you

699
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,100
locked eyes with this creature what did

700
00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:45,600
you feel

701
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:47,640
was there any kind of communication like

702
00:26:52,370 --> 00:26:50,700
put me there and she said that that it

703
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:52,380
was it was communicating with her that

704
00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:55,740
that it was scared it was uh it wanted

705
00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:57,299
help

706
00:27:02,390 --> 00:26:59,460
um it was feeble and weak and suffering

707
00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:02,400
that's what she said

708
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,260
and you know like I said you interviewed

709
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,240
these skills many years apart and did

710
00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:08,159
the stories remain the same

711
00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:09,900
from from the first time you interviewed

712
00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:11,700
them to the to the second

713
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:14,700
I've got tons of archival footage from

714
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,700
Dr John Mack from Roger Lear from all

715
00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:19,679
the local TV and news stations in the

716
00:27:24,289 --> 00:27:21,900
town of Brazil interviews that I'd done

717
00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:24,299
10 and 11 years ago uh modern day

718
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:26,220
interviews today they're absolutely

719
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:29,580
perfectly synced identical

720
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:33,900
no single word has changed in 26 years

721
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:35,580
it's very compelling then isn't it yeah

722
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:37,740
yeah then you've got the mother right so

723
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:39,480
the girls go home

724
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:40,980
they get back to the house and they're

725
00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:42,900
screaming we just saw the devil we think

726
00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:45,419
we saw the devil and the mother's like

727
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:47,100
what are you talking about where you

728
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,840
know and the mother's like let's go and

729
00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:50,159
the girls are like no we're not going

730
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:53,100
back there so she talks the mother talks

731
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:54,659
Katya who's not one of the daughters

732
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:56,520
who's a friend a family friend to go

733
00:28:02,269 --> 00:27:59,100
back to the scene and when they got

734
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:02,279
there that stench was present that

735
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:06,299
really strong ammonia sulfur stench was

736
00:28:10,669 --> 00:28:08,520
at the scene according to them according

737
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:10,679
to the mother she said that got into her

738
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:12,659
sinuses she couldn't get it out for

739
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,700
weeks with rubbing alcohol

740
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:16,559
and there was a footprint right where

741
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,539
the girl said the creature was and the

742
00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:20,159
mother drew the footprint for it but

743
00:28:24,289 --> 00:28:22,500
it's basically two digits with one that

744
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:24,299
looks like it would come out when it's

745
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:26,220
bipedal when it's walking that could

746
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:27,779
come out and kind of stabilize its

747
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,400
walking but it's basically two digits

748
00:28:33,289 --> 00:28:31,440
with the side one coming out the side

749
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,299
oh wow that's interesting is that a

750
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:35,039
question here from someone that says the

751
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:36,360
footprint sketch by the girl's mother

752
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:39,240
shows three toes yeah but a witness who

753
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:41,880
later saw the body said it had two so is

754
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,360
that what uh yeah so you got this right

755
00:28:48,529 --> 00:28:47,039
and when it's walking you've got a third

756
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,539
one that comes out the side to stabilize

757
00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:49,440
it

758
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:52,200
okay that's interesting that's really

759
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,880
yeah because obviously you hear

760
00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:55,500
inconsistencies like that and it does

761
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,940
sort of throw up a red flag but that's

762
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,279
that's really interesting

763
00:29:03,049 --> 00:29:01,440
and now now not far from where the girls

764
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:03,059
did witness the being as well we had

765
00:29:08,029 --> 00:29:04,980
this military blockade and you know we

766
00:29:09,169 --> 00:29:08,039
had press asking questions and and I

767
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:09,179
think all they got was that it was a

768
00:29:12,769 --> 00:29:11,340
matter of National Security and that

769
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:12,779
they'd even be arrested for asking more

770
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,400
questions so

771
00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:16,320
when speaking to people is that normal

772
00:29:18,970 --> 00:29:18,120
in Brazil for the military to be that

773
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:18,980
sort of

774
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:21,059
aggressive let's say and did anybody

775
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:23,100
ever get to the point of what what they

776
00:29:26,930 --> 00:29:25,080
were meant by National Security what was

777
00:29:30,850 --> 00:29:26,940
their reason or excuse that they were

778
00:29:37,549 --> 00:29:34,090
there was a lot of

779
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:37,559
inquiry particularly in the country of

780
00:29:42,350 --> 00:29:40,020
Brazil there were some very big media

781
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:42,360
personalities that have were looking

782
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,940
into this case and asking questions I

783
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:47,039
feature some of them some of the

784
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:49,799
coverage the media coverage in the movie

785
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,559
um and ultimately there were two

786
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,720
statements made one of them I think was

787
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,880
I remember I think it's uh Lima General

788
00:30:01,010 --> 00:29:59,039
Lima at who was head of the as a

789
00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:01,020
military base and he did the standard

790
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:03,179
dismissal you know which is actually

791
00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:05,220
quite revealing it's in the movie as

792
00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:07,140
well but then there was this other guy

793
00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:08,700
who apparently got reprimanded for it

794
00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:10,260
and that was I don't know if that was a

795
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:11,940
little bit later or if it was a little

796
00:30:15,769 --> 00:30:14,039
bit before I'm not entirely sure but he

797
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:15,779
made up some story that it was just like

798
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:16,620
uh

799
00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:23,820
that was homeless and had some mental

800
00:30:28,610 --> 00:30:26,460
health issues and of course everyone

801
00:30:31,549 --> 00:30:28,620
just you know I mean apparently he was

802
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:31,559
the laughing stock of of Brazil

803
00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:33,179
um and he apparently got reprimanded

804
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:35,880
because that was more unlikely than what

805
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,120
actually supposedly happened but other

806
00:30:43,549 --> 00:30:41,279
than that as far as I know there were no

807
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:43,559
other statements made just a complete

808
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:47,039
denial in fact uh there is a very famous

809
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:48,840
statement

810
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:50,760
let me think about that that happened in

811
00:30:57,769 --> 00:30:54,960
the U.S we are not hiding anything the

812
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:57,779
who was that it'll it'll come to me but

813
00:31:02,269 --> 00:31:00,360
it was like the head of the secretary of

814
00:31:06,049 --> 00:31:02,279
the Air Force Harold Brown I think it

815
00:31:07,789 --> 00:31:06,059
was back in the 50s or 60s probably the

816
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:07,799
60s you remember when they had

817
00:31:11,389 --> 00:31:09,299
Congressional hearings in America in the

818
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,399
66 and against the eight and Harold

819
00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:12,960
Brown gets up there we have not been

820
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:14,460
hiding anything we've been totally

821
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:16,380
honest there's nothing to any of this

822
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:18,720
you look at a guy you go you are so

823
00:31:24,169 --> 00:31:21,659
clearly lying this is not a shred of

824
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:24,179
doubt and they gave a very similar press

825
00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:26,460
conference in 1996 where you're going oh

826
00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:28,679
my God and the Press is just peppering

827
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:30,779
this guy right and you know what were

828
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,279
you doing on that day prove to us what

829
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:34,080
you were doing what we were doing was

830
00:31:39,409 --> 00:31:36,059
you know for the working for the nation

831
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:39,419
you know yes but tell us the truth I

832
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:40,440
don't have to tell you anything more

833
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:41,940
than that well come on don't you want

834
00:31:46,570 --> 00:31:44,640
the truth out there no stop asking me

835
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:46,580
any more questions

836
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:49,260
it's in the movie yeah yeah yeah it's

837
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:50,700
just yeah but I was laughing I was like

838
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:53,100
oh my God that's exactly what happens

839
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,559
that's exactly what happens uh you know

840
00:32:00,649 --> 00:31:57,600
I'll I'll share something one more thing

841
00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:00,659
with your audience that was

842
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:02,940
something that was not in the film that

843
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,679
was a um

844
00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:07,440
uh

845
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:12,539
it really kept Marco Leal and myself

846
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:16,799
hot on the trail it really kept

847
00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:19,620
propelling us forward and and it was the

848
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:22,620
kind of motivation that we needed and it

849
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:24,779
was I don't remember if it was 2013 or

850
00:32:30,529 --> 00:32:28,919
2014 we met with Jose Carlos Pereira he

851
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:30,539
was a Brazilian they called him

852
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:32,039
Brigadier I don't know if it's the same

853
00:32:36,669 --> 00:32:33,720
in the United States but Brigadier is a

854
00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:36,679
high level Brazilian Air Force officer

855
00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:40,260
and he was willing to talk with us about

856
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,899
the reality of UFOs in Brazil which was

857
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:44,399
great

858
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,460
we interview him he says if you ask me

859
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:49,200
one question about Virginia this

860
00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:50,820
interview is terminated

861
00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:54,059
you thought Jesus you know okay well

862
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:55,799
gosh like why don't you just deny it if

863
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,760
you're gonna you know what I mean like

864
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,320
we'll just get you on camera denying it

865
00:33:03,889 --> 00:33:00,960
but he said if you ask me it's over like

866
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:03,899
I'll get up and leave so okay well I

867
00:33:06,529 --> 00:33:05,220
might as well get what I can out of this

868
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:06,539
guy and at the end of the interview and

869
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:09,059
I liked him he was a likable character

870
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:12,600
well he has since passed and so I am now

871
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,100
going public with what happened after

872
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:16,799
after the camera stopped rolling Marco

873
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,299
and I and I've got photographs of this

874
00:33:23,149 --> 00:33:20,880
as well we were literally like begging

875
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:23,159
him pleading me he had a driver waiting

876
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,360
for him

877
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:26,460
and

878
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:28,620
I swore up I looked him dead in the eyes

879
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:30,779
and I said I swear up and down there are

880
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,240
no recording devices No cameras rolling

881
00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:34,799
please

882
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,640
we want to know so bad

883
00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:43,200
and uh

884
00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:45,779
he walked back to the car with Marco and

885
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:48,120
I Marco was there too

886
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,679
walked back to his car he had a driver

887
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:51,600
waiting he sits down in the back seat

888
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,460
and he looks up at us with the door

889
00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:55,919
still open and he said it happened

890
00:34:00,350 --> 00:33:58,740
close the door off he went and Mark and

891
00:34:02,090 --> 00:34:00,360
I looked at each other and the hair

892
00:34:04,669 --> 00:34:02,100
stood up in our arms I mean it was like

893
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,679
a lot it was it was electrifying we

894
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:06,799
looked at each other like

895
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:10,020
whoa wow that was a level of

896
00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:12,540
confirmation that very few people have

897
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:15,300
probably ever had why on Earth would he

898
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:16,980
lie you know why on Earth

899
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:18,780
yeah what do you say that if it weren't

900
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,560
true

901
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:21,119
so that

902
00:34:25,129 --> 00:34:23,099
that came that really kept this case

903
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:25,139
alive and Mark and I never forgot that

904
00:34:29,149 --> 00:34:26,940
man in fact I'll never forget that

905
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,159
moment and I wouldn't share that moment

906
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:31,679
with the general public had he if he was

907
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:34,020
still alive but that happened and he's

908
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:35,639
in the movie you'll see you'll see him

909
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:37,560
in the movie it says when governments

910
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:40,560
can't uh explain something they will

911
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:41,940
cover it up

912
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:44,220
yeah very powerful indeed I mean that

913
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,379
you know to be that resistant towards

914
00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:49,919
you but then after pressure by you to

915
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,960
then say that it kind of speaks volumes

916
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,240
I was on the verge of kissing his feet

917
00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:56,159
that's how much I was begging I really

918
00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:57,720
was because I could see in his eyes he

919
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,619
knew

920
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:00,960
you know I mean I just remember I was

921
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,300
like bowing down please like I looked

922
00:35:07,790 --> 00:35:05,520
him right in the eyes please just tell

923
00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:07,800
us please off the Record you know

924
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:10,140
it happened

925
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,760
off he went wow whoa that was

926
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:16,560
wow that was that was something else

927
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,320
yeah yeah and speaking of military and

928
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,119
Military Witnesses were you ever

929
00:35:26,410 --> 00:35:23,119
concerned anywhere along the way of

930
00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:26,420
these Witnesses coming forward with a

931
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:28,980
pre-prepared story that may just muddy

932
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:31,560
the waters or absolutely not we we

933
00:35:36,650 --> 00:35:33,720
chased them down we knew who they were

934
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:36,660
we knew their involvement we chased them

935
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:40,260
down not one witness came to us not one

936
00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:43,560
we knew who they are Marco's done due

937
00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:44,940
diligence he's been in touch with Uber

938
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,619
azshara he's been in touch off the

939
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,440
record with um uh with Claudio Koval

940
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:51,839
back years and years ago he's seen the

941
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:53,700
tapes of the testimonials that were

942
00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:58,200
given in 96. you know he he we knew we

943
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,640
knew who we're going after

944
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:01,680
we knew it very carefully and we spent

945
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:03,900
years in Marco in particular we're

946
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:06,660
talking years and years to get those

947
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:09,060
people to come forward fantastic thank

948
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,680
you I'm just going to move on to a few

949
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:12,240
questions that I've got from social

950
00:36:17,569 --> 00:36:15,720
media so James 4125 asks does James

951
00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:17,579
think the other policeman who saw his

952
00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:19,380
colleague capture the alien will ever

953
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:21,020
speak out

954
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,420
very good question you know

955
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:27,119
um that was a pretty hairy moment in in

956
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:34,670
this guy had been in hiding for 26 years

957
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:37,500
all he ever had to do was come forward

958
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:40,619
with a statement to the media and say

959
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:43,920
this is fantasy this never happened it's

960
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:45,480
all Make-Believe

961
00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:47,940
but instead he never did that and he

962
00:36:51,890 --> 00:36:50,220
never gave a statement to the family of

963
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:51,900
the deceased officer who was also a

964
00:36:56,170 --> 00:36:53,040
friend of his

965
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:56,180
and every time Marta the deceased

966
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:58,740
officer's sister

967
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:01,140
she told me this on camera anytime she

968
00:37:06,589 --> 00:37:03,420
would talk with him

969
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:06,599
about it begging him like come on he was

970
00:37:10,670 --> 00:37:08,579
sweating and smoking cigarettes back to

971
00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:10,680
back is what she said like sweating and

972
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:13,020
nervous and smoking now I know that

973
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:14,640
other military Witnesses were threatened

974
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:16,200
because they told me the doctors

975
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:17,280
everybody

976
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:20,099
so clearly this is a key witness and he

977
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:22,260
was they said something to him because

978
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:23,880
he look

979
00:37:28,609 --> 00:37:26,339
people also criticized us for

980
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:28,619
doorstepping the guy well I have to

981
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:31,260
remind those people that every other

982
00:37:37,069 --> 00:37:33,780
possible scenario had been exhausted for

983
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:37,079
26 years contacting his wife contacting

984
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:39,900
him directly at his home like emails

985
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:43,200
letters phone calls the the family of

986
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:44,760
the deceased officer trying to get him

987
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,140
to make up there was the only thing left

988
00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:48,240
with the doorstep the guy so with the

989
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:50,040
help of the local mayor we found out

990
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:51,900
where he was and boy that was was that

991
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,780
guy off the beaten path or what like if

992
00:37:57,609 --> 00:37:56,160
you wanted to find a place to hide he

993
00:38:01,609 --> 00:37:57,619
was doing it I mean look at that place

994
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:01,619
that was crazy and um

995
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:04,079
he threatened to shoot everybody but he

996
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:05,760
could have just stepped outside

997
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:08,700
you know and just said look again

998
00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:11,400
I there's nothing to this story I was

999
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:13,320
not driving the vehicle I didn't see

1000
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,480
anything I didn't hear anything it's all

1001
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:18,000
make-believe but he didn't do that

1002
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,000
instead what he said when we rolled up

1003
00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:23,040
all they said is the translator guy

1004
00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:25,560
homelo who's a lawyer in Virginia

1005
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:27,300
Eric Lopes

1006
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,820
and his response was Eric if you're here

1007
00:38:37,069 --> 00:38:34,560
to talk about the E.T Eric will never

1008
00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:37,079
talk or he will never talk it's like

1009
00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:39,000
it's kind of like that situation where

1010
00:38:42,349 --> 00:38:40,920
the police show up at a party and they

1011
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,359
knock on the door and they open up the

1012
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:43,680
door and then the first thing the guy

1013
00:38:50,109 --> 00:38:46,380
says that open the door when he sees the

1014
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:50,119
cops there are no drugs in here sir

1015
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,760
you know and so right off the bat I

1016
00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:55,440
thought that's odd we didn't ask him

1017
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,180
about an ET we didn't ask him anything

1018
00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:59,280
just Eric Lopes from here to see Eric

1019
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,900
Lopes that was the first thing out of

1020
00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:02,640
his mouth and then it was like bullets

1021
00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:03,780
are going to start flying you guys are

1022
00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:05,820
going to get in trouble three times

1023
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:09,300
so subsequently after that happened we

1024
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:11,820
contacted his wife with the help of his

1025
00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:13,740
sister Marta

1026
00:39:17,329 --> 00:39:15,720
uh sorry the deceased officer sister

1027
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:17,339
Marta

1028
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:19,020
and we said what's it going to take to

1029
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:21,000
get Eric to come forward and she said

1030
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,440
bring my brother

1031
00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:24,480
my brother because he's this is another

1032
00:39:29,569 --> 00:39:27,240
aspect of the story which is crazy so

1033
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:29,579
Eric Lopes is married

1034
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:33,180
to the deceased officer's sister

1035
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:36,660
Marcus Rosie's sister yeah

1036
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:39,240
Margaret Tracy has two sisters one of

1037
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:42,780
which is Marta Tavares she went on

1038
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:44,820
camera for us and talked about all these

1039
00:39:47,569 --> 00:39:45,599
things

1040
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,579
of the project and then he had another

1041
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,920
sister I don't her Name Escapes you

1042
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,320
right now but he married he married her

1043
00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:54,240
and Marco

1044
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:57,300
and Eric Lopes had grown up together and

1045
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:58,920
they became Military Intelligence police

1046
00:40:03,410 --> 00:40:00,180
together

1047
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:03,420
and the night in question on January

1048
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:07,140
20th according to the family

1049
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:08,940
Eric Lopes came to the house and said

1050
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:11,460
hey I'm on this crazy mission tonight

1051
00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:13,020
Marco treasey wasn't supposed to be

1052
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:14,820
working I'm supposed to be looking for

1053
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:16,920
something really strange and unusual do

1054
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:19,079
you want to join me and Mark was like

1055
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:20,280
sure and he jumped in the car and off

1056
00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:21,359
they went

1057
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:23,880
and uh you know and all the rest is

1058
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:27,300
history but but we contacted his wife

1059
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:31,260
through the help of his family and what

1060
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:32,460
will it take to get him to come forward

1061
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:34,320
she said if bring my brother back to

1062
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,420
life and then he'll talk to you

1063
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:38,400
wow that sounds pretty yeah I mean I was

1064
00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:40,020
just going to ask about Market Theresa

1065
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:41,880
since we mentioned him is what are the

1066
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:43,500
big questions do you know do you think

1067
00:40:46,490 --> 00:40:45,060
that the biggest questions that still

1068
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:46,500
remain over what happened to him because

1069
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,140
it was all a bit shady I mean he was

1070
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,420
buried really quickly and there were

1071
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:53,280
just things that

1072
00:40:59,450 --> 00:40:56,940
there was uh well we were very fortunate

1073
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,460
to get Dr Cesario who worked on him on

1074
00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:01,200
camera I think we were the first people

1075
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:03,240
ever to get him on camera right right

1076
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,099
any production

1077
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:07,680
um Cesario who's still a a doctor in in

1078
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:09,300
Virginia and he said he'd never seen

1079
00:41:15,470 --> 00:41:13,079
anything like it prior or since he said

1080
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:15,480
that uh he had a scratch I think he had

1081
00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:17,700
a scratch like here on his arm and and

1082
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:21,300
it's it's assumed that it was when he

1083
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,920
captured this creature with his bare

1084
00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:24,720
hands that it kind of just scratched him

1085
00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:26,700
a little bit but he had this weird like

1086
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,320
oil because everyone talked about this

1087
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:30,960
oil on this brown creature that oily

1088
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:33,119
just really oily

1089
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:36,660
and it was smelly and oily and uh

1090
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:40,140
apparently Marco Teresa was rubbing his

1091
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:41,280
body down with rubbing alcohol

1092
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:44,460
afterwards and uh and and it got

1093
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,500
apparently worse and worse and then he

1094
00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:49,200
got like this infection and he admitted

1095
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:51,480
himself a few weeks later to the

1096
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:53,940
hospital Dr Cesario was working on him

1097
00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:56,520
Dr Cesario said that he revealed his

1098
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,740
involvement he says it's on camera with

1099
00:42:01,130 --> 00:42:00,000
the case because he was trying to save

1100
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:01,140
his own life

1101
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,260
and that um

1102
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:07,440
um he gave him all the antibiotics that

1103
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:09,420
would normally treat an infection but

1104
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:11,400
his immune system just failed he was a

1105
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:14,280
healthy 23 year old a military Soldier

1106
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:16,920
and um and he died

1107
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:19,500
the on-call doctor of that day wanted to

1108
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,700
get him in the ground according to his

1109
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:23,040
family as soon as possible which leads

1110
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:25,140
me to believe like maybe he was worried

1111
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:27,000
that that Marco had something on him

1112
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,640
that could spread that killed but you

1113
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:31,380
know it's all speculation really but

1114
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:33,540
they did have the autopsy report which

1115
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:35,160
indicated there was some kind of unknown

1116
00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:36,780
substance eight percent of something

1117
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:39,660
that that was unrecognizable it's in the

1118
00:42:42,609 --> 00:42:41,640
film it's in the films the sister talks

1119
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:42,619
about it

1120
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:45,300
yeah I mean and we mentioned again

1121
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,119
doctors and nurses hospitals and that

1122
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,880
there let's talk about when the uh the

1123
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:52,560
body of the creature is a at the

1124
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,599
military is it the military hospital and

1125
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,359
x-rays are taken I mean I I mean I'm

1126
00:43:00,770 --> 00:42:59,040
assuming that x-rays like that are

1127
00:43:02,750 --> 00:43:00,780
buried somewhere deep within within the

1128
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:02,760
military but did you search that out did

1129
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:04,140
you ask any questions about the

1130
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:07,079
whereabouts of those x-rays so uh the

1131
00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:09,180
doctor that we interviewed and he

1132
00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:11,400
verified we well we knew for a fact that

1133
00:43:16,849 --> 00:43:14,339
he'd worked at Regional hospital and

1134
00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:16,859
um he said that it was the first and

1135
00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:19,319
only time in his entire career where he

1136
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,500
was unable to to verify the x-rays as

1137
00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:24,720
being good because normally he takes the

1138
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,000
x-rays and then he examines them but the

1139
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:29,700
military trucks that arrived in armed

1140
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,800
guards he said the whole thing was was

1141
00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:34,560
was terrifying the the mood in the room

1142
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:36,420
during the during the when he was taking

1143
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,460
these x-rays was just nobody smiled

1144
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:40,560
nobody looked at him it was just

1145
00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:42,900
business and at the end of it he wasn't

1146
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:44,280
allowed to look at them and they took

1147
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,400
they took these X-rays and off they went

1148
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:49,440
wow

1149
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:52,020
I mean I doubt I say I have doubt you

1150
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:53,640
know that would be a great piece of

1151
00:43:57,710 --> 00:43:55,980
evidence to leak or come forward but

1152
00:43:59,150 --> 00:43:57,720
wouldn't it be I mean you know those

1153
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:59,160
went those stayed in the hands of the

1154
00:44:02,690 --> 00:43:59,839
military

1155
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,700
but there were enough civilian and

1156
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:05,280
people involved and doctors involved

1157
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:08,040
that they're I'm absolutely convinced in

1158
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,720
fact I can tell you unequivocally that

1159
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,000
there are doctors that

1160
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:14,280
that took some evidence

1161
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,260
yeah and one thing that I'm quite

1162
00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:17,760
baffled about is that earlier on this

1163
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,560
year we saw I think it was Brazilian

1164
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:22,079
Senate holding hearings you know talking

1165
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,940
about the UFO subject so it seems like

1166
00:44:27,950 --> 00:44:25,440
they are

1167
00:44:30,349 --> 00:44:27,960
as a country willing to discuss it but I

1168
00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:30,359
mean it was I didn't watch it because a

1169
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:31,560
lot of it you know I couldn't understand

1170
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:34,800
but was the Virginia case mentioned uh

1171
00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:36,900
those hearings

1172
00:44:45,490 --> 00:44:39,720
that's so strange no you know they had

1173
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:50,809
encounter in 1986 uh UFOs over Brazil I

1174
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,160
think UFOs over Sao Paulo where there

1175
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:56,400
were 12 unknowns that were whizzing

1176
00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:57,720
around in the airspace and they

1177
00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:59,819
scrambled all these Jets and then they

1178
00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:01,500
had a huge press conference and the

1179
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,500
pilot said I I showed some of this in

1180
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,000
the film pilate said that we couldn't

1181
00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:08,880
get we're our job was to to intercept

1182
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:10,440
and identify and he's like we couldn't

1183
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,540
intercept we couldn't even hear these

1184
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:14,460
things they would just you know take off

1185
00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:17,099
a little load identify them but they

1186
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:19,020
were you know they were fully

1187
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:21,300
transparent back in 1986 regardless but

1188
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:23,819
I have to remind you know your audience

1189
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:25,859
is a very big difference between unknown

1190
00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:27,900
objects in the sky and beans on the

1191
00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:29,180
ground

1192
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,780
absolutely

1193
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:33,119
yeah that's a pretty big step

1194
00:45:36,970 --> 00:45:35,940
indeed it is uh have we got some

1195
00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:36,980
questions

1196
00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:42,119
sorry did you Vinnie did you uh know

1197
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,220
about this case prior to watching the

1198
00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:47,520
film I did yeah you did okay all right

1199
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:49,140
and how long have you known about this

1200
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:50,339
case

1201
00:45:57,250 --> 00:45:53,640
uh I think it was probably since your

1202
00:46:01,970 --> 00:45:59,510
yeah something like that but I I've

1203
00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:01,980
always followed foreign I say foreign

1204
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,200
cases I mean I'm from the UK so I've

1205
00:46:07,790 --> 00:46:06,000
always looked at cases here but also

1206
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:07,800
South America having an interest in the

1207
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,420
country in general and doing

1208
00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:11,520
investigations myself in Colombia so

1209
00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:13,560
I've always been very open

1210
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:16,020
and not get caught up in the Trap if

1211
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:18,660
it's a U.S subject it's a U.S issue

1212
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:19,980
because obviously we all know it's a

1213
00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:21,900
global issue so I've always been of that

1214
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,140
kind of way of thinking so yeah uh did I

1215
00:46:29,569 --> 00:46:26,880
expect to see anything on this level or

1216
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,579
scale on the Virginia case no so it was

1217
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:31,920
very very exciting from the moment it

1218
00:46:36,349 --> 00:46:33,900
was announced to to seeing the finished

1219
00:46:37,329 --> 00:46:36,359
product was was incredible so

1220
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:37,339
yeah

1221
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,720
because even the Brazilian UFO

1222
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:41,520
researchers that watched it and they

1223
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,160
were like wow even you guys got new

1224
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:46,319
stuff and you guys got these people to

1225
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:48,900
come forward that's a first you know and

1226
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:52,800
even having the mayor of the town that

1227
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,020
was you know that's that's something you

1228
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,560
got the elected mayor not retired you

1229
00:47:01,550 --> 00:46:59,760
know basically saying that he believes

1230
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,560
the UFO crashed and live aliens were

1231
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:03,780
captured in his town I mean

1232
00:47:07,309 --> 00:47:05,160
you know I don't think that could be

1233
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:07,319
overstated just how significant that is

1234
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:10,020
yeah absolutely and I mean you were

1235
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,579
careful in the film as well with some of

1236
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:12,960
the wording that you used you know you

1237
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,180
use the word alleged and you and things

1238
00:47:18,829 --> 00:47:17,280
like that throughout and now obviously

1239
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:18,839
being there it probably has more of an

1240
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:20,460
impact on you because you're there face

1241
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,960
to face with the witnesses it must be

1242
00:47:26,030 --> 00:47:24,240
quite difficult to not just throw all

1243
00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:26,040
your chips in them I'm all in no matter

1244
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,540
what kind of thing so how did you kind

1245
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,040
of find that balance because I know how

1246
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:31,760
difficult that can be

1247
00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:35,579
I feel like I I cannot make any

1248
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,579
definitive statements without definitive

1249
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,280
proof I feel like we have an incredibly

1250
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:43,680
compelling story with incredibly

1251
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:46,740
compelling eyewitness accounts firsthand

1252
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:50,339
eyewitness Counts from doctors from

1253
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,660
civilians from military Brazilian uh

1254
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,920
folks that were involved in the

1255
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:57,599
operations

1256
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,200
um elected officials uh very very

1257
00:48:05,089 --> 00:48:03,599
compelling story and I'm I'm convinced

1258
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,099
that this is just the tip of the iceberg

1259
00:48:09,650 --> 00:48:07,920
in terms of additional eyewitnesses

1260
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,660
coming forward I mean people want to

1261
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:11,520
know and I know there are people within

1262
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:13,560
the intelligence agencies that have seen

1263
00:48:20,210 --> 00:48:17,280
this film and um you know not one of

1264
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:20,220
them said that this didn't happen

1265
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:23,160
yeah that's that's you know that holds

1266
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:26,280
weight it certainly holds weight it's

1267
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,839
nice for me to hear those things you

1268
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:30,000
know yeah I know I'm not like crazy town

1269
00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:34,400
here yeah absolutely yeah no for sure

1270
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,900
go ahead no I was just gonna say this

1271
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:38,400
question from Montana with the kind

1272
00:48:42,109 --> 00:48:39,960
donation he says Stan Friedman

1273
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,119
hypothesized the creature was cargo

1274
00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:44,400
rather than the pilot so any thoughts on

1275
00:48:50,809 --> 00:48:45,180
that

1276
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:50,819
the same thing when we were in Brazil uh

1277
00:48:57,470 --> 00:48:53,099
I

1278
00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:57,480
well you know they didn't have a helmet

1279
00:49:03,290 --> 00:48:59,819
they didn't have any you know space suit

1280
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:03,300
or anything on you know

1281
00:49:06,650 --> 00:49:04,920
you know it's strange isn't it because

1282
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,660
if you look at the case like aerial

1283
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:09,839
School in Zimbabwe from 94 and you know

1284
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:11,700
the children witnessed these beings

1285
00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:13,500
wearing sort of what looked like space

1286
00:49:18,349 --> 00:49:16,980
suits and it's just like yeah uh black

1287
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:18,359
tight fitting

1288
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:20,099
suits yeah these these creatures

1289
00:49:22,490 --> 00:49:21,300
according to the eyewitnesses didn't

1290
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,500
have any of that

1291
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,000
I know

1292
00:49:29,450 --> 00:49:26,160
very strange and then other people have

1293
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:29,460
suggested that they were sort of organic

1294
00:49:35,569 --> 00:49:32,760
robots or would that you know um

1295
00:49:38,569 --> 00:49:35,579
uh what do you call um living robots

1296
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,579
kind of thing okay I I look I don't know

1297
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,319
I'm just telling you sure yeah yeah no

1298
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,440
no I like to hear the theories and and I

1299
00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:44,880
thought to myself well according to the

1300
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:46,619
eyewitnesses these these beings were

1301
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:47,520
scared

1302
00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:52,380
were feeble they wanted help

1303
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:53,579
um

1304
00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:55,740
you know it's very unfortunate I didn't

1305
00:50:00,050 --> 00:49:57,720
get Dr Roger Lear on camera before he

1306
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:00,060
died because he gave me his tapes yeah

1307
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,200
we we tried to connect in 2013 and 2014

1308
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:07,200
I can't remember the exact date and I

1309
00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:09,960
was really busy working on uh the

1310
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,119
phenomenon I was working on Rua I'd

1311
00:50:17,809 --> 00:50:13,920
already been to Virginia once or twice

1312
00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:17,819
at that point probably twice and um he

1313
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:19,980
was super excited that I was doing you

1314
00:50:25,309 --> 00:50:22,500
know doing the case and and we we tried

1315
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:25,319
to get to get together and and um and do

1316
00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:27,000
an interview but at the end of the day

1317
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:28,560
he was kind of frustrated and he said to

1318
00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:29,700
me well if you're not going to interview

1319
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:31,079
me and I said look it's not a question

1320
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:33,300
of me not wanting to interview you I'm

1321
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:35,640
so busy right now with all these other

1322
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:37,740
interviews he didn't say I'm dying of

1323
00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:40,140
cancer get my story on you know I wish

1324
00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:42,060
he had I would have done it at midnight

1325
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:44,460
you know but uh he did give me the tapes

1326
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:46,440
and I also got his book

1327
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:50,880
and in his book The it's just a direct

1328
00:50:54,770 --> 00:50:52,619
translation of the tapes of the

1329
00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:54,780
interviews because I had the tapes and I

1330
00:50:59,450 --> 00:50:56,700
could see and I read the book so I could

1331
00:51:01,130 --> 00:50:59,460
see you know that he transcribed the

1332
00:51:03,290 --> 00:51:01,140
interviews and you know did some editing

1333
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,300
but in the book yeah however there was

1334
00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:06,240
one meeting that he claims in his book

1335
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,220
that he met with some doctors at the

1336
00:51:12,829 --> 00:51:10,319
hospital where I heard that the beans

1337
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,839
were taken and the transported because I

1338
00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:14,640
spoke to the people directly involved

1339
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,920
with that operation so the bean would

1340
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,440
have been there according to them

1341
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:21,839
um and the doctors met with Dr Roger

1342
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:23,579
Lear according to Roger Lear and

1343
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:26,400
according to his statements in his book

1344
00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:27,660
um everything else was accurate so I

1345
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,339
have no reason to not believe it but I

1346
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:30,960
couldn't get verification on it and I

1347
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,460
didn't include it in the movie but

1348
00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:34,800
apparently according to Dr Roger Lear in

1349
00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:37,020
his book they met with two doctors from

1350
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:39,420
humanitas hospital that said or maybe it

1351
00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:40,800
might have been Regional Hospital one of

1352
00:51:44,450 --> 00:51:43,020
the two where they're being there was a

1353
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:44,460
being that was alive and there was some

1354
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:46,380
telepathic communication with the two

1355
00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:49,260
doctors and those two doctors met with

1356
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,900
Dr Roger Lear and they wouldn't allow Dr

1357
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,000
Roger Lair to film them as he done with

1358
00:51:56,809 --> 00:51:55,440
them all the other Witnesses but they

1359
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:56,819
said we'll give you our story in which

1360
00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:58,920
he included in his book

1361
00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:01,079
wow that's pretty impressive I mean

1362
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:04,260
seeing Rogers you know footage in the

1363
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:05,400
movie I thought was really good he

1364
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,020
obviously did some great work and I

1365
00:52:10,690 --> 00:52:09,839
think he's with uh Uber is it in in the

1366
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:10,700
yeah

1367
00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:17,940
shame it's a real shame that you know

1368
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:20,280
unfortunately I know and I you know then

1369
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:22,020
I found out in his book that he was with

1370
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:23,400
another gentleman who was a fellow

1371
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,859
doctor so I contacted him and then his

1372
00:52:29,809 --> 00:52:27,359
family said he just died a couple years

1373
00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:29,819
ago I was like oh God you know and then

1374
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:32,099
Uber ajara won't talk to me so he was

1375
00:52:36,349 --> 00:52:33,660
the only other person in the room that I

1376
00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:36,359
know of maybe ubere will come forward I

1377
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,040
don't know maybe let's keep our fingers

1378
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:40,319
crossed yeah because I wonder if he

1379
00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:42,180
could back up what the story with the

1380
00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:44,339
doctors and the beings well he could but

1381
00:52:48,349 --> 00:52:45,540
wouldn't it be nice if those doctors

1382
00:52:50,809 --> 00:52:48,359
came forward well after yeah absolutely

1383
00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:50,819
that would be incredible more first-hand

1384
00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:53,160
testimony I mean it's like you say this

1385
00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:55,140
is the start of something rather than

1386
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,000
you know we did our investigations and

1387
00:53:01,849 --> 00:53:00,000
this is the end of the year so I made a

1388
00:53:05,089 --> 00:53:01,859
conscious decision to put this film out

1389
00:53:07,130 --> 00:53:05,099
because we had some very solid leads in

1390
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:07,140
fact if I wasn't a father with an

1391
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:10,380
eight-year-old son and a family

1392
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:13,380
um I would be there right now

1393
00:53:18,049 --> 00:53:16,020
um but we got pretty spooked that last

1394
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,059
round I mean we were getting close

1395
00:53:22,010 --> 00:53:20,160
and it was spooky

1396
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:22,020
um but again I you know I I would have

1397
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:24,540
no problems if I wasn't a dad I'd be

1398
00:53:27,650 --> 00:53:25,800
there in Brazil and I wouldn't leave

1399
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,660
till I came home with something I can

1400
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:30,240
assure you of that but um I got pretty

1401
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:33,240
spooked it got things got spooky and are

1402
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,220
the witnesses that we were that we

1403
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:36,960
either just met with or about to meet

1404
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:38,460
with they were getting phone calls from

1405
00:53:41,210 --> 00:53:39,420
the base

1406
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:41,220
and they were spooked and they just said

1407
00:53:44,270 --> 00:53:43,380
steer clear of us for six months which

1408
00:53:47,329 --> 00:53:44,280
we did

1409
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:47,339
yeah scary stuff absolutely

1410
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,319
I've got a great question here from RGH

1411
00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:51,599
UFOs did you try and track down the

1412
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,119
witness from cindactor or hear from

1413
00:53:59,150 --> 00:53:56,640
anyone from USAF U.S southcom

1414
00:54:01,609 --> 00:53:59,160
catch up for all U.S forces related to

1415
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:01,619
South America NORAD Etc

1416
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:04,559
so uh no so the the

1417
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:07,500
um a couple of things one is we spoke

1418
00:54:11,809 --> 00:54:09,780
directly with one a Brazilian researcher

1419
00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:11,819
or Marco Leal did who wrote a book on

1420
00:54:16,609 --> 00:54:14,460
the case and he had a government Insider

1421
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,619
from the Brazilian government that

1422
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,440
confirmed to him that it was NORAD that

1423
00:54:25,970 --> 00:54:21,119
gave them the heads up this it was

1424
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:25,980
incoming and then I sent the uh film to

1425
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:27,300
a couple of people I had on the inside

1426
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:28,559
and they didn't seem to have a problem

1427
00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:30,900
with it so I left it in I went with it

1428
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:34,260
so I was based on a Brazilian researcher

1429
00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:36,420
who wrote a book whose contact confirmed

1430
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:38,940
to him but he wanted to remain anonymous

1431
00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:41,579
that the NORAD had given that signal it

1432
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,900
was a tough call but I decided to

1433
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:45,359
ultimately leave it in yeah and just for

1434
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:46,920
anyone that's listening or what this is

1435
00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:49,020
the very start of the film where you

1436
00:54:52,849 --> 00:54:50,520
know it shows that Nora have been

1437
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:52,859
tracking something which is very

1438
00:54:57,890 --> 00:54:56,400
interesting so yeah that's great

1439
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,900
um I'm just conscious of the time we're

1440
00:55:01,609 --> 00:54:59,520
nearly on the hour mark what I'd love to

1441
00:55:04,670 --> 00:55:01,619
talk about before before we uh wrap up

1442
00:55:06,109 --> 00:55:04,680
is your next project uh because we've

1443
00:55:07,730 --> 00:55:06,119
heard you see little say little things

1444
00:55:09,470 --> 00:55:07,740
here and there on social media but if

1445
00:55:11,089 --> 00:55:09,480
you could just sort of give us what

1446
00:55:12,650 --> 00:55:11,099
you're planning and how much you can

1447
00:55:14,930 --> 00:55:12,660
tell us that would be that'd be really

1448
00:55:22,089 --> 00:55:14,940
great thank you sure so I'm starting

1449
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:27,349
uh I'm starting next week and you know

1450
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:30,300
when I met with former Senate Majority

1451
00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:33,480
Leader Harry Reid it was a big get for

1452
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,059
me as a filmmaker and researcher I mean

1453
00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:38,880
it was a that was a household name right

1454
00:55:43,010 --> 00:55:41,579
yeah yeah and I have George Knapp to

1455
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:43,020
thank for that thank you George Knapp

1456
00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:44,520
that was all him

1457
00:55:48,349 --> 00:55:46,980
and uh and actually one other person but

1458
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:48,359
yeah

1459
00:55:51,049 --> 00:55:49,200
um

1460
00:55:53,569 --> 00:55:51,059
he confirmed

1461
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:53,579
for me on camera

1462
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:56,760
that the evidence that's leaked out

1463
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,800
that's gotten out that was on the front

1464
00:56:01,370 --> 00:56:00,000
page of the New York Times and a

1465
00:56:03,410 --> 00:56:01,380
reminder audience that didn't just

1466
00:56:04,849 --> 00:56:03,420
happen those people found a loophole and

1467
00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:04,859
walked that stuff out

1468
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:08,280
that is just the tip of the iceberg he

1469
00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:10,440
also had had mentioned I think to the

1470
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:13,980
New Yorker that we talked about the the

1471
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:16,500
aspect of the shutting down on and off

1472
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:19,500
the nukes to me but then also in the New

1473
00:56:23,150 --> 00:56:20,819
Yorker things got pushed a little

1474
00:56:25,730 --> 00:56:23,160
further where he said that he'd heard of

1475
00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:25,740
this crash debris material and bodies

1476
00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:28,200
he'd turn accounts of this and for a

1477
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:29,700
long time that it was with Lockheed

1478
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:33,720
Martin yeah and um and uh that he had

1479
00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:37,200
asked for authorization for access to

1480
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:38,460
see some of this stuff and they never

1481
00:56:41,930 --> 00:56:40,020
they refused to give him authorization

1482
00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:41,940
and it's funny it's like you'd say oh

1483
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:43,619
there's nothing of any kind there you

1484
00:56:47,690 --> 00:56:45,420
know instead it's just a blanket denial

1485
00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:47,700
of no access I remember Barry Goldwater

1486
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:49,500
said the same thing when he asked

1487
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,079
General Curtis LeMay about access to the

1488
00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:54,000
the I guess it called the Blue Room at

1489
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:55,980
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base so yeah

1490
00:57:00,829 --> 00:56:57,420
I think it's called the Blue Room yeah

1491
00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:00,839
yeah so I you know and then uh so that

1492
00:57:05,569 --> 00:57:03,240
was like a dangling you know carrot for

1493
00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:05,579
me obviously

1494
00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:08,099
um and then when I went to Brazil this

1495
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:10,200
last time and we met with a number of

1496
00:57:15,530 --> 00:57:13,140
military former military uh Personnel

1497
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,540
all of which on camera and they all

1498
00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:17,280
confirmed for me they're sprinkled

1499
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,780
throughout the credits at the end as

1500
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,640
well that the Americans were involved

1501
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:22,559
the air traffic controller has come

1502
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,660
forward recently and said that he saw

1503
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:27,359
the United States Air Force land and

1504
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,420
without an i without authorization from

1505
00:57:34,670 --> 00:57:31,920
the Brazilian government which is just

1506
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,770
um the the helicopters that went from

1507
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:38,640
Campinas which is where they all told us

1508
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:40,500
they drove the bodies to so this

1509
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,180
helicopter lands on the 20th of January

1510
00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:44,160
when these guys are picking up these

1511
00:57:50,030 --> 00:57:47,099
bodies the helicopters go from Campinas

1512
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,040
to Virginia with the US and then back to

1513
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:52,079
Campinas right so you got that and then

1514
00:57:55,490 --> 00:57:53,880
all these military guys saying that the

1515
00:57:57,290 --> 00:57:55,500
Americans were involved and they took

1516
00:57:59,450 --> 00:57:57,300
this material back to the United States

1517
00:58:00,770 --> 00:57:59,460
of course the trail goes cold once the

1518
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:00,780
United States Air Force plane left

1519
00:58:05,089 --> 00:58:03,119
Campinas and so

1520
00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:05,099
um I kind of want to walk the halls of

1521
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,300
Congress I want to ask the right

1522
00:58:09,770 --> 00:58:07,920
questions I want to find out where this

1523
00:58:11,450 --> 00:58:09,780
evidence is

1524
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:11,460
um and who has the authority to release

1525
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:12,559
it

1526
00:58:17,930 --> 00:58:16,200
yeah I also kind of want to explore the

1527
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,940
idea of and I hate to use the word

1528
00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:19,200
disclosure I know it has a lot of

1529
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,420
baggage but if the story did come out on

1530
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:23,040
a grand scale

1531
00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:24,960
um the projected anticipation of the

1532
00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,700
impact you would have on society and

1533
00:58:29,569 --> 00:58:28,559
religion and cultures and and all that

1534
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:29,579
stuff

1535
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:31,140
yeah I think it's the right time for

1536
00:58:34,370 --> 00:58:32,400
something like that personally I mean

1537
00:58:36,109 --> 00:58:34,380
the crash retrieval thing is everywhere

1538
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,119
at the moment so I think that would fit

1539
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:37,920
in really well I'm sure you would be

1540
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:39,720
able to take it to another level

1541
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,000
so I certainly look forward to something

1542
00:58:45,530 --> 00:58:44,160
like that the hunt goes on and I can

1543
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,540
assure your audience that this is just

1544
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,000
the beginning I'm not I'm not going

1545
00:58:54,049 --> 00:58:50,160
anywhere and I'm damn straight not

1546
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,059
giving up you know yeah I'm I'm uh and

1547
00:58:57,289 --> 00:58:55,920
if anybody thinks there's anyone on the

1548
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:57,299
planet that wants that photographic

1549
00:59:01,549 --> 00:58:59,040
evidence more than me I ask you please

1550
00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:01,559
to reconsider this has been a nearly

1551
00:59:06,049 --> 00:59:03,660
30-year Journey For Me In which I make

1552
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:06,059
all my investigations public with all of

1553
00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:07,140
you

1554
00:59:10,010 --> 00:59:08,460
um because I think we're all entitled to

1555
00:59:12,770 --> 00:59:10,020
know what the bloody hell is going on

1556
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,780
even if it's a little scary and so um

1557
00:59:18,109 --> 00:59:15,359
this is just the beginning and I'm

1558
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:18,119
um I appreciate your support I

1559
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:20,040
appreciate all of your all of your

1560
00:59:23,329 --> 00:59:21,660
support I really mean that from the

1561
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:23,339
bottom of my heart

1562
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,720
um if they want to watch a moment of

1563
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,640
contact I'll quickly say if you want to

1564
00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:28,799
rent it get it from Amazon it's the

1565
00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:31,619
cheapest if you want to buy it well if

1566
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:33,780
you want to buy it get it from iTunes or

1567
00:59:38,030 --> 00:59:35,400
Vimeo because it comes with two hours

1568
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,040
roughly two hours of bonus material at

1569
00:59:42,589 --> 00:59:40,319
no extra cost you do not get it when you

1570
00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:42,599
buy it on Amazon and I have people upset

1571
00:59:45,890 --> 00:59:43,980
that I didn't tell them that why didn't

1572
00:59:48,109 --> 00:59:45,900
you tell me I bought it on Amazon it's

1573
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:48,119
like so iTunes and also if your audience

1574
00:59:52,010 --> 00:59:50,220
could take a moment to to rate our the

1575
00:59:54,109 --> 00:59:52,020
film it's tremendously helpful thank you

1576
00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:54,119
yeah no problem at all thank you so much

1577
00:59:57,230 --> 00:59:55,799
and the links are in the description of

1578
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,240
this video where you can go to all of

1579
01:00:02,390 --> 00:59:59,520
those platforms to like James says buy

1580
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,400
or rent it James once again thank you so

1581
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,799
much this really is an honor to speak

1582
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,720
with you directly thank you to everybody

1583
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:08,880
for all your questions and for your

1584
01:00:13,970 --> 01:00:11,520
donations kc12 and Sean Kettle I'm sorry

1585
01:00:17,950 --> 01:00:13,980
I didn't get to ask you questions I'm

1586
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:17,960
going to be back on Friday with a 747

1587
01:00:22,430 --> 01:00:20,880
cargo pilot who after six months of

1588
01:00:25,250 --> 01:00:22,440
chatting with him he's decided to come

1589
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,260
forward with his stories of anomalous

1590
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,599
sightings and he has some photographs

1591
01:00:31,849 --> 01:00:29,040
he's going to show us so come and join